False advertising
This ad was posted for the third time or so but with updated pictures. The previous owner sold it/them as a caninus x batesii animal. But this person has been trying to sell it/them as a corallus caninus. I had e-mail contact where in I stated that this animal is a designer, but let's just say there was a language barrier or so I was led to believe. My german s*cks, but my translator works fine. :roll: Buyer beware! This is mom, dad and the newborns as e-mailed too me by the original seller: Zoohandel - Angelsport Freithofer. Although they are as stunning as every Corallus, Hybrids/Designers are not my bread and butter and this is why.

Intergrades
While any misrepresentation is unethical, I personaly love intergrades. They do occur in nature ; Ecuador, and most likely in Brazil and Peru. Frank F

The first adult is batesii, what is the misrepresentation?

Thanks Jurgen , I misread. Chances are , most CBB emerald are crosses . He would get more money for it if he called it a hybrid! Frank, I have never seen evidence of crosses from the wild. I am interested in seeing it though.

intergrades
Hey, A while back I posted a pic of an Ecuadorian Emerald, under the thread " natural predators". The markings are clearly an intergrade form. Also, I know someone in Peru who has collected and worked with Emeralds and has reported to me finding both "striped" and "non-striped" forms in the same regions. I see no reason that the two forms would not interbreed...or possibly they already did and some were intergrades. Then there is Brazil.... Henderson has provided in his papers photographic evidence of areas or pockets of "northern " forms in areas that are surrounded by areas of Basin forms. Again, without any geographical isolation, there is no reason to think they don't breed together at the fringes of these locations. Lastly, just by looking at a map of the huge , vast region that Emeralds are known to inhabit , there is so much area that has never been explored by scientists or collected from. As Henderson is in the process of breaking Emeralds into possibly 6 different species or sub species, I believe that is just the tip of the iceberg as far as what we know. We truely know so little of this animal and I hope we continue to see new things in the future. My biggest hope would be to be able to obtain and work with specimens of the Cordillera range in the Columbia Andes. Now there's an Emerald that has been geographicaly isolated for millions of years and is probably quite different from anything anyone has worked with or even seen. Unfortunately the small area they come from is too dangerous for most people to even consider exploring in. My personal theory is that "striped" forms are a genetic mutation requireing 2 separate recessive genes. I can't elaborate or prove it at this point , but hopefuly time will tell. Though I would be just as happy to be proven wrong, as that would amount to more information and knowledge about this animal we know so little about ! Frank F

@Steve, to me it clearly looks like a hybrid. But the worst part was that the guy even used the same pictures from the previous ad for the first few weeks of advertizing. The initial owner had them for sale for a long time. And same goes for this new person. Here in Europe we clearly do not like hybrids that much. Or we just do not have the money to afford any. :lol: @Frank, what are we waiting for!!! I'd risk my life for a killer Emerald any day. 8) About the natural intergration I want too agree. Although the only thing I've noticed is so many basin wearing northern type head-scaling. Just like intergrade BCI's there is a chance that after many new generations a previous local that was introduced in the bloodline can partially re-appear in new offspring. I hope that makes sense, I'm not that goed in engels.

Colombia
Chris Well, I tell you what..... if you want to travel to the Colombian Departments of Antioquia, Santander, Cordoba and Boyaca and risk your life hunting for rare Emeralds among the cocaine cartels, para militaries and FARC , I'll be more than happy to try and get you CITES papers to depart with a pair.... which is probably more likely than you finding a pair and comming home alive ! Partners ? :lol: Frank F

Only if you find me a convincing Spectacled Bear disguise and drop me in by helicopter. I will go commando finding those emerald.

I have only seen intergrades from animals that were housed together. I have NEVER seen any proof of intergrades in nature. Although it may happen, I would like to see an example. This is a conversation that has taken place on many forums, never seen proof. What exactly does a hybrid look like. The ones I've seen vary. Many are indistinguishable from northerns. Check the scalation on as many cbb basins as you can , and get back to me. I think you will see that a high percentage (50% or more) actually could be classified as northerns if scalation was all that was taken into account. Frank , the emerald in that picture looks like a TYPICAL northern . What makes you think it looks like a hybrid?

Norm , I was talking about the picture of the emerald being eaten by the raptor from another thread. Frank suggested it looked like an intergrade. I don't see it.

Aha I understand, It does look more like a northern from that angle.

Hey frank if you want I can get you a pair o emerald tree boas from colombia but I don't know hot to do the papers and how much you will pay for the emerlas just let me know